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Knight3000 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The reasons why Powergirl cannot be taken seriously is not because of her cotume and cleavage window its because he origin was redone too many times. she started out as a supergirl form earth 2 but when Crisis on Infinite Earths wiped out all thealt earths Powergilr was put in limbo. then she was rdone into an Atlantean which made no sense then she was back to being a Kryptonian.
The cleavage windos is simple she even said she has it because she doesnt have a proper symbol which again is because of her messed up origin Donna Troy is also anther example of a messed up origin that was basically shelved when dC had the bright idea to wipe out 40 years of charater history with their Icon heroes.

As for She-Hulk she cant be taken seriously because she has been for years been written as tongue in cheek which you can balem John byrne for that. The second She-Hulk series he wrote and drew was WAY too campy and Jen fought D class Marvel villains which not even Spider-Man would touch!
Even bringing Titania into her next 4 series wasnt taken seriously. Titiania used to beat the living shit of Jen! Hell she bludgeoned her in Secret Wars before Doc Ock and The wrecker and his Wrecking crew showed up!
Yet in her own series which was played and written for laughs Titania became an on going joke where she would get knocked out in ONE freakin punch!
She-Hulk had alot more respectability when she was in the Fantastic Four and not even when she was in the Avengers.
Her first series the Savage She-Hulk back in 78-79 was her best sadly after that not so.
originalnameless Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Too bad their popularity here in dA don't translate to sales irl but they receive a lot of loving here from deviants :iconmonkeythumbplz:
I sort of had the same sentiment why there aren't popular mainstream African-American and Asian superheroes, unfair world isn't it? :no:
mvdr Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012
See #patriarchy
hvk Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Far too many issues with the mainstream to really cover why Power Girl and She-Hulk don't get enough respect that they deserve; your accompanying rant pretty much said it all! Alas, but for fun comics like Excalibur and the Dan Slott runs...

On a strictly art note, you draw them absolutely fantastic! I'm now officially a big fan of the way you draw She-Hulk; it seriously bugs me when people draw her skinny or no taller than other women. She's one of the HULK CLAN, she ought to be big and muscle-y, y'know? You pretty much hit the nail on how she ought to be built. Excellent work!
jinsyght Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
booster gold and aquaman ask them selves the same thing all the time lol
OrionPax09 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012
Well, I'm much more familiar with She-Hulk than I am with Power Girl, but I do agree that Jen has never gotten the credit she truly deserves as a hero, and as a person. She's a brave, intelligent woman who turned what would have been a curse that could very easily have ruined her life, and turned it into a blessing. She has fought every bit as courageously against the odds as A-List heroes such as Spider-Man and Captain America. She's developed her fighting skills to such a degree that she can effortlessly deal with thugs and goons even without her powers. She's coped with her identity being public knowledge, she maintains a normal career despite the madness of her life, has hung on despite the numerous setbacks she has suffered, and writers seem to delight in making her out to be a slut, a skank, and even worse.

Peter David himself once said this: "She-Hulk has the potential to be our Wonder Woman. A powerful female with a strong moral center and a determination to do what's right. She's also a unique combination of brains and brawn. The ideal She-Hulk story is one that plays on both aspects of her make-up, the intelligence combined with her strength."

And yet, so many writers forget that the reason she's so promiscuous because she's ultimately lonely and wants someone to accept her as she is. Forget the many trials and tribulations she's overcome to get as far as she had. And they turn her into a piece of brainless eye candy. :P

Of course, this a problem frequently encountered with female super heroes. Especially those considered as the Distaff Counterparts to male heroes, such as She-Hulk and Power Girl. Even Wonder Woman has been trashed pretty badly, as evidenced by some of her recent costumes. :bleh:

As for how to handle She-Hulk so that she were to get the props she deserves, if I were writing her, I'd start by giving her a new nemesis. Titania is a great opponent for She-Hulk in that she's obsessed with defeating her and has the muscle to back up that determination. But I think that Jen also needs a nemesis with brains to challenge hers in the legal arena. A crime lord of sorts (preferably female) on the scale of someone like the Kingpin, but more sadistic. Someone who flaunts how she's above the law, and thus making it a challenge for Jen to think of ways of making charges against her stick.
RedWingsDragon Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2012
Writers. They suck. Awesome work here
saintvulcan Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2012  Student General Artist
i know why power girl isnt taken seriously, she dresses skimpy and has hue boobs lol
ricktimusprime0825 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2012
You make a good point.
TMNTFAN85 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
*stares at their chest, shakes head* sorry what did you say?
RedJoey1992 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2012  Professional Filmographer
very nice
gerasPadaras Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2012
I don't even know them :D
Doncreegan26 Featured By Owner Feb 29, 2012  Student Artist
The tits and design were created to draw in mass of horny, comic book nerds or horny pimpled face retainer wearing heavily acne'd lesbian nerds with an imbalance hormones. ...UM... yeah. Moving on. The point is they will NEVER be taken seriously if the sole purpose for the chars inception was to be eye candy and nothing more. DEAL WITH IT CALLMePo! DEAL WITH IT YO!
Gamersdan Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2012
but but I take them seriously they have awesome personalities. I love how smartassy they are
ElectricPoodle Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Amen to that. Comic books AND manga do this!
starcru Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012
lol well there are 2 BIG reasons why that is.
jinsyght Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
in comics alarger breasts means super strength lol
starcru Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
lol obviously;)
jinsyght Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2012
lol and tiny eyes means evil or crazy lol
starcru Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012
lol well that could be one of the reasons.
jinsyght Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2012
although thats mostly used in anime (notice how the most evil human characters have tiny pupils or no pupils at all. and the most pure of heart have really big eyes.
starcru Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012
lol that's true.
gulabjamuns Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I cant beleive this is the first I've seen this message shared by someone other than me (except I havent even tried to get the word out strongly enough to this extent.... yet). Everyone says that if a female superhero is shown too sexy (which just really means sexy to any extent, really) then she cant be taken seriously, shes a joke, even when it's not exactly that she's "sexy", she's just large chested like Powergirl (which automatically means you're a "slut" or some equvilent word, sadly, to all the poor women who are actually naturally well endowed :/). It doesnt matter how awesome of a character they are or how good their story is, too many people just laugh or look away in disgust. And even a lot of people that do like them past their looks actually hope for their character design to visually change... drastically, even (and if those people dont consider themselves shallow for that, then wow).

But I've also been thinking of the flipside. A lot of "fans" also dont help. A lot of people who like these characters also cant look past their looks to find more. They're happy to look at them as no different than pornstars.... which they also dont look at as people with minds and feelings.. just because a person does what they do or dress sexy doesn't make any person nothing more than "objects" and they shouldnt be treated or looked at as such, right?
BlackKusanagi Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Student General Artist
Too. Freakin. True.
MightyMorphinPower4 Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012
Exllcent work
ParadigmFallen Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Professional Artist
I can't speak at all for Power Girl as I rarely read DC. I do agree with the general message though. (Although in my case, Ivy from Soul Calibur would be up there with them. No one cares about the backstory or the fact her ending in Soul Calibur 4 was actually one of the most positive...)
Northern-Megas Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012
Might have a little to do with this trope: [link]
jdrabbit1 Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2012
First of all ladies, you have always had my respect, and pity the fool that doesn't show you some. (especially every 28 days)
SteveAndrew Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I was going to reply on this, then I noticed your journal, so thought it best to put a more thoughtful (?) response there. Short answer: great picture and I totally agree! :)
Excetera-ZEN Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2012  Student Writer
I just had a long argument in defense of Power Girl's boob window and that characters that appear sexy shouldn't automatically be called sluts or whores. I don't know a single thing about the character, but I couldn't let something like that past by me.
jemstone Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012
Two thumbs up, all the way. :)
Xailenrath2015 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Why do certain female characters get no love?
Because most so-called "fans" are too busy trashing them for being sexy than actually reading their books, or paying attention to their characters, which are generally pretty fleshed out and interesting under the right writers. Mainly because that's the 'hot internet trend' right now to do so. Just like the same stale argument against sexy costumes comes up every Halloween from the same sheep who can't form their own opinions without consulting the internet first for permission.
Most of these people aren't even reading comics (a fact the snobbier ones are actually PROUD of, for some reason), and have no REAL basis to form such a negative opinion.

Sadly, the comic companies seem to have even less respect for their own characters than the internet detractors. They're putting more work, money and effort into things like video games, cartoons (NOT a bad thing, that bit) and movies than the actual source material these days. If a character isn't some violent, one-note "bad-ass" that can be parleyed into a big box office draw who can be played by Hugh Jackman or Christian Bale in some multi-million dollar extravaganza, then that character is relegated to a background role, or just plain put into limbo. Or worse, their character is just miswritten with no real care.... especially if said character has breasts and a vagina.
Comic book companies no longer care about "inconsequential" things like character development or continuity. When there IS a good writer who actually DOES something interesting with the character (male OR female), some clueless editor or some other jackbooted deskworm will change creative teams arbitrarily on a book (or reboot a whole fucking UNIVERSE) for the sake of a quick buck and some internet buzz.
Concepts like "Jumping On Points For New Readers" and other such nonsense like oversaturation of the product as a whole or a specific character are now Common Business Practices. They crank out new characters (which, in most cases are just retreads, legacies or gender-swaps of the "popular" ones) for every other issue and don't let the dead or imprisoned STAY dead or imprisoned. This leads to franchising: Half a dozen or more separate books for the same old people or team like the glut of Bat-books, X-Books or the now-way-too-bloody-many Avengers books, with more characters PER book, means less attention can be paid to specific characters like Power Girl and/or She-Hulk. (Or, let's face it, ANYONE who ISN'T Wolverine or Batman or Deadpool or some other "bad-ass" slackerbait). Add the final nail in the proverbial coffin: The majority of comic book writers and creators are 30-something-to-Middle-Aged straight white males. This is why characters that are female (or gay, or ethnic, or teens, etc) don't seem to be written as anything other than fluffy stereotypes with no real depth or personality beyond, say, a pair of boobs, or outdated rap slang, or 'flamingly fabulous', or whatnot. The guys writing them have NO IDEA what it's like to BE them.
aaakker Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012
The problem with both is that their comics are more like pin-ups than anything else. Do not get me wrong, I like Pin-ups, but just not in my comics. When I read comics it is because of the story, and characters. If I want semi-sexual pictures I will surf the internet.

Give Powergirl less cleavage and make she-hulk less of a pin-up and more like a Hulk and the odds of fulfilling the potential of both characters is greatly increased.
vagabondeye Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012
Art is anything that elicits an emotional response. By that definition pinups are at the top, not the bottom of the art food chain.

Can I borrow yer vacation pics for pin-up backgrounds? I hate slavin' over drawin' m'own landscapes. I'm always lookin' for exotic pre-fab. :P
aaakker Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012
Lets disagree on that one. The use of excessive Pin-ups distract from the storyline and shift the focus of attention from the story to the pin up. If you just want a pin-up, than there is no need for a story or character development. You can just look here on DA. Enough material here (and many are great too).

Now Pin-ups have great value if used correctly, to me that does not seem to be the case with both comics. Make both ladies a bit less sexy, and those times the ladies are being sexy will have a much greater impact.
vagabondeye Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012
Ain't nobody agreein'. Place called a library I go to fer stories wit' no pitchers. If I'z in a comic-book store brousin': book ain't got no "money shots" ain't worth my money. So many of 'em still on the shelves, 'cause discriminatin' buyers ain't buyin'.

I supposin' folks blander'n me don't see them stores as 4-color "adult" shops. Them's their misunderstandin' and them fool welcome to it. backgrounds? ;)
gulabjamuns Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I for one have never been distracted from the story due to any sexuality in any comic or anything. In fact, I think it actually makes me even more eager to learn more about who that character is! I mean, the beauty is obviously there, what could be better than for brains and brawns to highten that beauty? I much prefer those comic book "pinups" to the "faceless" beauties I'd find by searching randomly on the internet. I cant understand the seperation of sexuality from everything else, I embrace it as a part of life, and I beleive every character isn't complete without having some kind of sexuality (it's there, whither it's explained or made apparant or not, male or female). I wouldnt say every female character needs to be like this, I'm all for variety for people of different tastes, but the ones I tend to like most do. It's sad but although sexuality has gained more freedom in society today, it certainly hasnt gained more respect.
TheVulpes Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
really don't know..
grimjack-13 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The primary culprit is the fact that the majority of comic writers are male and the majority of comic readers are male. Those two facts make it difficult for “realistic” portrayals of female heroes. Every now and then some gets it right, but they only stay on the series for so long before there is an editorial change. While I agree that both Power Girl and She-Hulk deserve better the odds are always “stacked” against them as in general interest is based on more on their cup size than their story potential.
Jose-Ramiro Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Kazali Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I blame the artists for giving super-heroines DDD boobs and tiny little outfits that have no practicality in battle.
TheGroofification Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012
BECAUSE they are sexy, it just gets them attention, not respect.
radarvictory1 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012
With a few exceptions, I have dropped reading comics. I DO NOT like what they did with my favorites and Black Canary and Donna Troy in particular. To me, Green Arrow and Black Canary belong together and now Donna Troy has been wiped out entirely!
Gray-Rose Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed and this is coming from someone who thinks Powergirl needs to cover up a bit. I may not agree with their way of dressing, but at the end of the day... There are male DC heroes who show just as much skin and get taken seriously. While being scantily clad will attract attention no matter what you do, as far as the heroism goes, that has nothing to do with your clothes. When it comes to how good they are at being heroes, I will never deny that these two are really good at it. Heck, both men and women could learn a lot from them.
blitzwing94 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012
DC Mindset
Sassy and Sexy- the standard
Insane and Sexy- the more the merrier
Evil and sexy- do you even have to ask?
Smart, Independent, and Sexy- "you mean she has sex with whoever she wants?"
Me: No she can support herself and doesn't need a man

DC: so shes a straw feminist?"
Me: no she's ok with men she doesn't need a man if she wants a relationship then it would at least be with someone she at least has some feelings for.

DC: So she has sex with whoever she wants
Me: no... goddammit i'm going back to Marvel Ultimate Comics at least they haven't done something monumentally stupid in the past ten years

Marvel: Look at our new Black Hispanic (not a joke) American Spider-Man. And all it cost us was unnecessarily killing the character who has existed for several DECADES and spitting in Stan Lee's face all because of that one website asked "Why can't we have a black spider-man?".
Me: SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!

P.S. that last part was entirely true. One website asked that question all so they could promote this one unknown actor. and apparently Joe Quesada (or whoever is in charge) took that to heart...fucking idiots.

Also this DC relaunch is turning out terrible.

Blue Beetle is slapping women

Starfire is a total bitch/slut
Before: "On my world we allow ourselves to love many people… always emotionally…"
After: "Love has nothing to do with it."

And Batman and Catwoman are having emotionless sex.

And company wise "Durr lets make 52 new books because apparently 52 is the number associated with DC"

"So does that mean we'll be making individual comics for each character fleshing them out and"

"What fuck no just make about 20 team books, 15 character books, and fill the rest with people like OMAC and Frankenstein"

And ever single other wrong character trait (Harley just giving up on the joker, Superman only defending the downtrodden instead of the entire world just....fuuuuuck)

Say what you want about Marvel at least they've kept several characters somewhat in check.
(Save for Spiderman and Reed Richards in Ultimate comics)
thmghty Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
just dont be surprised when people stare at your boobs
thats all
jayrich20 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
If only a competent writer would take the reigns for them. Great pic and rant, Po.
Mastermond Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012
I'm trying to get into comic writing personally, if I ever get to be on either project, I vow to give them a proper storyline. And WonderWoman too :p
vjohnson Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012
[link] A thought on that.
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